Somali pirates released two hijacked ships after ransoms were paid, U.S. military officials said on Thursday.
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well heck folks why don't we send the navy and marines and take care of the pirates
why in this day and age are we allowing ships to be hijacked and the crew held hostage and you know why they are not hijacking american ships it because the great ronald reagan set the precedant and the u.s. will not pay ransoms
this is driving the cost of everything up somebady should form a company and take care of the problem
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When did it become our place to police the world? Let the countries that are loosing ships beg the UN for help. Maybe this is what is needed to get the UN back on it's feet.
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Perfect..we are NOT the POLICE force of the world.Protect our own ships the heck with the others
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The unfortunate truth is the parent companies will continue to pay the ransoms as long as it's cost effective to do so. If you have to pay 1.6 million for two ships and their cargo, I bet you the company and insurance negotiators knew exactly how much to pay in order for the shipment to still be profitable.
What I think stinks is while the Board of Directors are negotiating with the pirates, the crews are sitting in captivity - sometimes for months.
The cost for the military to come in and patrol is extrememly expensive. I think the reason we and the other nations haven't committed is the fact handing over the ransom is the cheapest solution! Remember, the pirates are attacking commercial vessels whose parent companies choose to use this route in order to maximize profit. If there is a pirate threat, they need to either change the route (as the Norwegian company did) or hire their own security.
If the military steps in to stem the threat, these multi-national companies need to pay the tab. There is no reason for the US or any other country to auomatically step in to guarantee the safety (and profit) for these shipments.
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With the billions of dollars the middle east is making in oil let them escort their own ships.
Sorry the US is out of the police business the UN do something LOL like they will.
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It's about time the U.S. does NOT get involved, let's take care of our domestic issues and let them sort out thier own problems. We cannot afford to finance another foreign crisis, let someone else foot the bill! How about it China, Russia, step up to the plate!
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Where the heck is Blackwater during all this? I can't believe the shipping companies would rather pay a ransom than pay a bunch of thugs to stand watch on the ships while they're traversing the Horn of Africa. I think a couple instances of "push back" similar to what Blackwater displayed in Iraq and the pirates might start thinking twice.
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Pay all the ransom. Get all the ships out along with all the hostages and then bomb the region to smithereens. Take no prisoners.
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Hey ! It sounded like many/most of these pirates live a single location ! We need to promote the Freedom of the Seas, which all major nations agree to ! Why have a massive fleet if we are not going to use it for the correct international purposes !
My suggestion would be to take out this are of Somali with a few well-choosen air strikes. I am sure some of you would like to vote to continue paying ransom. Too Bad !
By-the-way I am sure there is already a mandate for protecting the Freedom of the Seas in the U.N. Charter !
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Helloooooo..... This IS our problem too. Where do you think this oil was headed? what do you think is going to happen to oil prices if this keeps happening? I know, let's just keep giving these criminals more money....
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Our Navy can not stop the pirates UNLESS they are caught in the act --- The rules will have to be changed before our Navy can act. The Russans have the right idea -- get an international force together and go after the pirates, but wait -- sounds a lot like what Bush did in Iraq and we all know how great that worked out.
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As of right now, the U.S. Navy's RoE (Rules of Engagement) prevent them from taking proactive action against the pirates if they are not engaged in the actual hijacking. The RoE would have to be changed first.
It would be cheaper and send a message to the pirates if there was private security onboard any ship. Then they might think twice before they approach . One warning then poof ! gone , after that it will stop. Keep paying and you have created an industry kinda of like lawsuits in America. By the way A.R. why call Blackwater thugs ? Are all military or security forces Thugs ? If the UN ( not before the next ice age I'm afraid) ever actually did something beyond bluster would they be thugs too ?
The Russians have already offered the UN a batallion of soldiers to lead the fight against the pirates in Somalia. The UN turned Russia down. Now what does that tell you? It really tells you a lot if you are willing to consider the efficacy of the UN.
But, why should you and I pay attention to a news article written by the network that hires Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, and actually pays them a salary? When I consider this question, I get physically ill and have the desire to vomit. I suffer from Olbermann/Matthews Derangement Syndrome. The only cure is to go and watch one hour of FOX News. I think I must go now.
Go Pirates, Go...Let the Pirates take care of the Islamists. Let the Pirates take care of the Saudis. As far as I am concerned , the past 8 years the Saudis gave us from $20/barrel to $140 /barrel. Let the Pirates conquer Saudi Arabia, the Islamists and all the other ists and isms that make our life miserable.
As for us, we just sit and watch.
Because there are 42 gallons / barrel, when the price of oil goes up by $10, say from $55 to $65, the price of gas should go up by $10/42 = 24¢. It's actually gone up faster than this, so we know oil companies are exercising some market power and passing through a "markup," not just their actual costs.
So All Power to the Pirates.
Where do Pirates come from? Pirates originate in economic hardships when the haves are greedy and the have nots are tired of being the underdog.
As for the Saudis: "Wreck the economy some more the pirates will soon be at your door."
http://zfacts.com/p/889.html
Oil prices from 1946 to 2008.
http://inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.asp
According to the article:
"A radical Islamic group in Somalia said Friday it will fight the pirates holding a Saudi supertanker loaded with $100 million worth of crude oil.
Abdelghafar Musa, a fighter with al-Shabab who claims to speak on behalf of all Islamic fighters in the Horn of Africa nation, said ships belonging to Muslim countries should not be seized."
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So, now a radical Islamic group is willing to fight another radical Islamic group because they pirated a ship from an Islamic nation, go figure. This proves again that the Islamic radicals are truly lost and need to go away! It's time for the non-radical (if there is such a thing) nations of Islam to stand up once and for all and crush the Islamic extremist, otherwise the rest of the world will continue to distance themselves from all of Islam. The USA needs to stay out of this and divert their ships from the region until the pirates are gone.
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And the Oil companies made ten times that from this latest Hijacking. Oil rose on the report of the Saudi Tanker incident. Also Starr Marine, now demand 10x more money fr there insurance policies for shipping in this region. The Big winner is ofcourse Jarch Capital.
The War on Terror is just losing its luster, and WMD's is just not as sexy as Pirates, you know, the image of Tropical Islands, Johhny Dep and Keira Knightley. Arrggh and Balckwater, um I mean Black Beard. Anyway Go the Somali Pirates YoHoHO and a bottle of KBR Cool Aide
New rules of engagement need to be put in place, give those NATO ships the ability to open fire - once you sink a few boats and kill a few high jackers those responsible will begin to think twice. From what I've read the only country willing to do so is India. Good on them.
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Rules of engagement? What rules? What engagement? Neither the UN nor NATO will engage the pirates. And they certainly don't have any rules to do so. The only organization that could take action is the UN, and the Russians have already offered the UN a batallion of soldiers to lead the fight against the pirates. The UN turned the Russians down. What does this tell you about the UN? The UN is dysfunctional, lead by a bloody coward, and requires a bailout from the US like everyone else. This blog is pure stupidity.
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I would have blown all the held ships out of the water along with the pirates that were on them. That would effectively disourage others from doing the same thing. Then I would blow Somalia off the map.
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What makes you think the world would stand by and let a country be blown off the map? Sounds like you've been watching too many Will Smith movies.
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That would probably work if you didn't care about the hostages on board. If a kidnapper was holding your family hostage in a house, would you just blow it to pieces?
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Caroaber.... Can you say I R A Q ??? Can we say that is a country anymore?
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Funny you never hear about blowing up a part of Italy or New Jersey to solve a mafia crime problem. Why the eagerness to kill hundreds of helpless and innocent civilians in Somalia to discourage the pirates? Maybe some of the locals benefit from the pirate activity, just like the civilians in mafia-controlled neighborhoods, but how are they responsible for what the pirates do, and what could they possibly do to stop them? Read the book "Dangerous Waters" and you will learn that the shipping companies calculate that the cost of securing their vessels is greater than the ransom they might have to pay, and thus put their crews at risk to save a few bucks.
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Blow up New Jersey you say? -- might not be a bad idea. Lets talk to the UN I'm sure there are a lot of countries that will step up to the plate. Do ya think we could get the crooks together in one place?
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Who pays the ransom? Please don't tell me that the good ole' USA is paying for this also....
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The companies are paying the ransom. It was sparsely mentioned in the article. I had to read it again twice to find it.
I know that piracy is nothing new on the open seas, but it seems that they are becoming more active lately. Is the global economy THAT bad that pirates are coming back in style with a vengeance?
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Well -- the companies pay initially. Who do you think is actually paying? That would be the people who buy the products from the companies -- USA, China, India etc.
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I am totally shocked by the lack of a meaningful response on the part of the U.S. government and other major governments around the world in allowing this pirate activity to continue unabated. I applaud the Russian government for suggesting that "...international forces should help it attack the pirates' land bases." If you have more than ample naval assets in the area and the international community is being threatened by these pirate attacks; why not take an aggressive stance and sink any and all identified pirate vessels encountered instead of just chasing them away? This is just another form of terrorism in today's world. If casualties result, that is the price they pay for their acts of aggression. Do you not think that these attacks would cease as a result of this demonstrated response on the part of the world's navies? Of course they would. And if their ransom money is used to buy other vessels, then sink those as well! Then we could concentrate on more meaningful issues affecting the world community than piracy off of the Somali coast!
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It seems that this isn't even "another form of terrorism" but something closely tied to the "War on Terror" we are already fighting. Several East African governments are being attacked and in some cases overtaken by fundamentalist Islamic regimes. By paying ransoms of millions to these pirates, these companies and governments seem to be providing material support to terrorists. That money could very well end up in the coffers of al-qaeda, which does have a base in East Africa.
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Vic,
Do you want the US to be accused on CNN/MSNBC/CBS of murdered because we blown a fish boat?
Nah. Each country should take care of their own.
Remember, we are the bad people. No more help.
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To Vic
Yeas, of course, land pirate bases should be destroyed first. Otherwise, not a lot of point in fighting pirates on seas. I am surprised it was not done yet, at least, the biggest bases are known and Somali government gives its approval. Somalians even asked Russia to found a naval military base in Somali and fight pirates as a collateral business.
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Somali pirates aren't the only ones committing crimes when you take into consideration most corporte ceo's, opec, u.s. politicians are pirates themselves.
I believe this is a big hoax and will come to haunt the people of this country financially.
The current politicians have changed the constitution rules to suit themselves then one must ask themselves why are we hesitating in going after the pirates? Somebody is behind this with a bagful of money to prevent this from happening. Is it Exxon preventing this from happening Chainee, bush? Saudi said it wouldn't pay the ransom since it would come from their petty cash meaning they don't want to in order to raise the cost of oil
Watch the cost of oil increase raising the prices of gasoline.
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" I am surprised it was not done yet, at least, the biggest bases are known and Somali government gives its approval".
Government? What government? Somalia has not had a functional central government since the collapse of the Siad Barre regime in the late eighties/early nineties....
we should join up with the Russians and anyone else who's willing and blow up all the pirate ships.
Much as I hate to agree with Medvedev and Putin, we should hit their land bases. I find it hard to believe a commando attack couldn't be done, just leave Jimmy Carter out of the planning.
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Somali pirates are gaining wealth by imposing a maritime safe passage and escort fee for vessels coming too close to their coastline. It's called kidnapping ransoms of crew, ships and cargo. Common sense would dictate that the Somali pirates should and will expect harsh reprisals and counter measures soon. Watch out, payback time is coming..
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Tad, What pay back time? The last time we had massive pirates on the seas we see that some become governor and others are wiped out by smallpox.
Any idea which disease your folks may invent this time?
You sit back while your tax monies and your hard earned income fills the pockets of the folks the pirates are fighting. And that is ok with you. Goodness, some people deserve the @!$%# they get.
why not just drop bombs full of money on them, this is how ignorant these gov's are you pay today you will pay bigger tomorrow, we can goto war with two different countries on guesses and possibilities but yet when an actual situation presents itself we can't do anything what the hell. they parked the damn things in plain site. how much easier can they make it leave it running with the doors open. time to use them people called special ops and get these damn boats back and clear the strait, with all the countries involved in the high jackings you'd think we could all establish a form of protection for these freighters, let the crews take up arms after all 50 miles out its international water did said pirates attacking the boat really die by the crews gunfire or did they just vanish. in my sight they just magically disappeared with about a couple hundred new holes in their asses. speed boat takes tanker come on ram it. shoot back. do something besides let them take you hostage
Enough is enough, time to begin wipping of the face of this planet these Islamic extremists and stop this rediculous political solutions that are not working. Russia has the exact solution to this problem and cooperation is mandated. Islam better wake up to the fact they are not going to be seem as a peaceful people or religion much longer but only war and terror loving insane people of this world. Time to fight fire with fire and stop this insanity they are trying to spread all over this world. We the sane ones are sick of this sh,,,t. Time to respond to their acts of insanity and aggressions with final and decisive force that they love so much.
you also have to consider where it is they are high jacking these ships most of the coastline in the area is countries that don't want us there. and we don't want to be where we are not wanted. besides the around ten countries we are in that don't want us there now.
Let's see now. Ships are pirated, ransoms are paid and nothing else is done. Therefore, more ships are pirated and more ransoms are paid. Again, nothing else is done. Heck folks, Works for me. NOT TO MENTION "Works for the Pirates" Duhhhhhhhhh. We are truly a stupid world.
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We should do nothing unless one of own ships is hijacked. I say arm the ships and they get whats coming to them when they try to hijack it. I would even go further and allow military to be involved if shippers and insurers are willing to pay a premium so it is no cost to us. Other than that, we are not the worlds policemen, have we learned nothing?
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Do nothing isn't that what we were doing prior to 9/11? Arming tankers that carry millions of gallons of oil so they can battle Pirates doesn't seem quite right. The Pirates will fire back and probably sink the tanker causing more costly problems. I know it is thousands of miles from us but we will feel the impact. I think MARI-357475 is on the right track.
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Obama will fix it !!!!!! Change is coming!!!!!
What should be done is ARM THE SHIPS . And I mean Arm them heavy. Blow them pirates back to ALA.
Yeah! Maybe Obama can sit down and have a nice, reasonable dialogue with the pirates. He'll be in the neighborhood anyway - what's one more stop?!
This is funding Bin Laden's terror campaign. With the millions being paid; how is the ransom money being deposited and how is it not tracked? This is almost too simple to solve; therefore, it makes you wonder if something bigger is involved. With the billions of dollars these countries and firms have at their disposal, why not put a handful of well trained and armed security on these boats, just in the vulnerable area's? How much fun would that be; blasting these idiot pirates out of the water. Sort of like a video game. Or go the cheap route and have deck hand dumping boiling oil or water on them when climbing up the ropes. Hell, I'd do it just for something different to do for a while. Or maybe Obama can go and have nice peaceful talks with the pirates and they will stop immediately. Where is Johnny Depp by the way? I bet he's involved.
I'm with you Jack!
Hell, I'd do that for a few hundred thousand!
How do you get on the list?
By the way, Johnny Depp is filming his new movie, "Pirates of the Somalian Coast".
But he's filming in Australia.
These are large sums of money. The only things the pirates can really spend it on are modern weapons and boats to ply their trade.
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Maybe it's time we hire our navy out to south korea and other countries that are paying ransoms. That could be a way to chip away at our national debt and give our military a full feeling of accomplishment that the whole world applauds.
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As an ex-Navy person, I can see your point, but I disagree. That is a mercenary approach and that would make us no better than the pirates. That would be Blackwater on an immense scale, and I don't think that the USN or the US period would want to be known as the "best Navy that money can buy."
I do agree that it would be a huge chunk of change that the Dept of The Navy could use (the DoN is the largest consumer of funds of all branches), but I don't like the idea much. Die for my country in a military engagement? Yes, if necessary. Die for a boat load of TV's or petrochemicals/oil that is NOT going to the US or our allies? Notsomuch...
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Pirates should be hung from the nearest yardarm. Now that the ramsom is paid special forces teams need to hunt them down and hang them all. What we seem to be facing today is a lead-in to World War III.
Netbeui for an ex-Navy don't you know that this country was build on the endeavour of mercenaries and rebels?
May the strongest win Netbeui, it is the Law of Nature and for cheerio purpose the pirates should conquer Saudi Arabia. This sandhole has been nothing but a pain for the past 1400 years. A country without intellect perpetual parasiting, producing hardships wherever it lands. If the UN and the World community are impotent to control a nation that wrecks world economy let the pirates of Somalia do the job.
Millions for defense: not one penney for tribute. Same thing happened 200 years ago.
We sent Lt. Stephen Decateur and the frigrate Philladelphia, and some marines to end the barbary pirates; they got the job done, ...... TO THE SHORES OF TRIPOLI.
Why not set up a blockade of Somalia with a fleet of international ships to block either entrance or exit of the pirates safe haven? Wouldn't that be better than trying to police the 2 million square miles of ocean? No civilians are hurt and no homes are destroyed but yet the pirates can't get in or out. They will get tired of waiting for the blockade to lift and the threat of piracy goes down to nil.
I don't understand why no one is shooting them out of the water. A few well placed rockets will make anyone else think twice about piracy. They get close, then blow them up, problem solved.
Ok see if this works. So you pay the ransom, the pirates leave the ship not harming the crew or cargo. While they are in their little boats scurring back home use our satlite technology and target the little crreps and blow them out of the water. HAve a couple of subs in the water waiting for them when they leave.
Arm the tankers with some big guns. I dont see how a tnaker is intimidated by guys in a speed boat. They cant be using much of anything else. As soon as the tankers pick them up un radar blast away. They should have a 5 mile danger zone around all of them. Or put an apache helicopter on each one. Seak and destroy!
We launch a full scale, unprovoked war in Iraq that has killed thousands of troops, tens of thousands of civilians, has cost tens of billions of dollars and we can't wage an attack against some sketchy pirate outposts that are causing and creating world conflict and hurting economies? Not to mention costing so much more money and creating so much more pollution by making ships want to travel around South Africa.
This is crazy and should have been addressed a long time ago. Sending in "peacekeepers" to chat with pirates who have the opportunity to make millions is going to be worthless. I agree with Moscow....get a coalition of nations to go and wipe these people out.
The most powerful countries in the world are sitting back and letting tankers filled with toxic chemicals and expensive goods be taken by dudes in little wooden boats? This is crazy and who know, there is maybe some underlying conspiracy going on that is allowing this to happen.
Please let me run the show concerning the PIRATE problem. I can cure it in 73 hours, and I am not even real smart. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
YGTBK!! You've got to be kidding... Only the US would have such an ignorant approach to dealing with Piracy on the high seas. The Russians have it right.. Wipe them out, along with the people harboring them-situation resolved.
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